|Colin Murley of Cornish Heritage was interviewed by BBC Spotlight programme about the 12th March 07 visit of 'The Loving Cup' tour of england about why Cornish people object to the Cornish city of Truro being included in the ceremony. No other Celtic region or Country are part of the tour.
The BBC only broadcast one line from the interview. The full transcript reveals what was really said...
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Full transcript of meeting and subsequent interview with the BBC - 27th February 2007 at 3pm, not broadcast on Spotlight at 6.30pm that evening.
A single section of this interview was broadcasted the following evening - one line of Colin's interview was used and is highlighted in the following text by asterixes.
Transcript before recording...
BBC - Reporter - Elena Parker with Cameraman
Interview with Colin Murley at his home on Camborne.
BBC - You know what we are here to talk about?
Colin Murley - Yes.
BBC - Have you talked to Mike Chappell
Colin Murley - He did ring me.
BBC - Who wrote the open letter to the Council - was it from the Organisation or Mike Chappell?
Colin Murley - I donít know about that.
BBC - We will do your interview first and then do the pictures.
Colin Murley's wife - Would you like some tea or coffee? - Cameraman; tea please - sugar? Just milk please.
Cameraman, setting up camera - It will be seen later on Spotlight.
BBC - O.K. Iíve got as few details about this ceremony with the loving cup, we are talking to you in what capacity?
Colin Murley - Cornish Heritage. Do you do pictures in between?
BBC - No, weíll do them later with a shot of you perhaps reading a book or something like that.
Weíll get the interview out of the way, the difficult part.
Cameraman - we call it a set up job.
Colin Murley - Laughter - I wonder if I am being set up!
Cameraman - Laughter - no youíre not being set up!
BBC - Would it be fair to say that you are a member of the Celtic League?
Colin Murley - I am a member.
BBC - How would you describe the organisation - to promote Cornish culture?
Colin Murley - I would say so.
Cameraman - Have you got something white - to focus the Camera?
Colin Murley - Here we are, OK.
BBC - Give me your full name.
Colin Murley - Colin Murley.
Transcript during recording...
BBC - So, youíre a member of the Celtic League and you are keen to promote Cornish culture.
Colin Murley - I have been for a long time.
BBC - Cornish independence and promoting everything Cornish?
Colin Murley - Well, we have a very good case and it is at the moment lodged with the European Court of Human Rights.
BBC - Turning back to this particular ceremony, that will be happening a week on Monday, a week after St.Piranís Day, what are your thoughts about it, I mean it is not a big ceremony its coming round the whole of England, 50 Cities in England, why do you think it is not right for Cornwall, what are your thoughts?
Colin Murley - Well, when I heard of this, I thought Iíd better find out whatís it all about, so I looked it up on the internet and I find it is actually being promoted by the English Democrat Party, thatís a right wing party, which is to the right of UKIP, I would guess, and they are backing this project . Now nobody has ever heard of this before. I mean if we had heard of something to do with St.George in our schools even, and we get a lot of English history in schools, and not enough Cornish, then we might have thought, well perhaps so, but this is something that has been dropped on us, and dropped on everyone else I would imagine, so itís obviously a political stunt.
BBC - You think itís a political stunt but is that your reason for you objecting to it orÖ.
Colin Murley - What Iím saying personally, is that weíve had enough of English history in the schools and it is about time that people had the courage to investigate Cornish history especially the Duchy of Cornwall after all, the Duchy of Cornwall has been providing an income for the heir to the throne for six centuries and one wonders why that is swept under the carpet and not brought up in schools and not discussed anywhere. I mean, Iíve tried in many instances and interviews to raise the subject of the Duchy of Cornwall and its role in Cornwall but nobody wants to know. Now, that is rather strange to me, Iím wandering just why the subject is being hidden away.
BBC - The Council says it has now agreed to it, they discussed it democratically within the Council itself, do you not just think we should now let it go ahead?
Colin Murley - Now, I think you are misinformed there. As I understand it the Mayor can make his own decision on this, of course, he would listen, I presume, to the Council but in this particular instance where it is a semi-cultural thing the Mayor has a certain amount of discretion, so whatever the Council decided it wouldnít really affect the decision of the Mayor if he was so determined thatís what he wanted to do.
BBC - What is it that the your Celtic group feel the Mayor should do, what are you asking him to do?
Colin Murley - Actually its not my group, Iím just a member really, Iíve got lots of other things to do. Iím involved in the legal position of Cornwall trying my best to get that across ***but the group seem to be very upset about the fact that we are getting another dose of English history which nobody knew about or ever heard about previously at the same time we are being denied our own history in our own schools. *** (the words between the *** were actually broadcasted on BBC).
BBC - So what do you think the Council should do and what do you think the Mayor should do?
Colin Murley - Well, I think the Mayor, if he were considering himself to be a Cornish Mayor, representing Cornish people, then I think he would say we donít want anything to do with extreme right wing political parties.
BBC - Turning back to what has been said by some people, not the League but other people who feel strongly enough, that it's even been suggested that they might even kidnap the cup.
Colin Murley - Well, I think thatís a bit of a joke, itís a lovely joke that somebody started off somewhere and I donít think theyíll get much mileage out of that.
BBC - Do you think there might be protests on the day?
Colin Murley - Well, I think there may well be a quiet protest, I hope it is quiet I mean we donít want any shenanigans or any problems but I think it is worth us putting the point over that weíve got our own Cornish history here and weíve had a devil of a job to get anybody to take any notice of it. Weíve got these stunts going on to promote English history whereas in schools for the last two hundred years, just for example, Cornish people in Camborne even have been taught that Stephenson invented the steam locomotive, that is just grabbing out of history a thing to boost the English ego and convince the Cornish that theyíre good for nothing. And yet, it is in the Encyclopaedia Britannica that Trevithick invented the steam locomotive, and I can give you other sources.
BBC - Well, thatís not the story today...
Colin Murley - No. no, well, it shows what the education system is like and it does explain the problems weíve got , if for two hundred years you can actually tell a lie like that and get away with it, apparently by sheer force of control of the media and control of the education system, where does that leave us now? It does make you wonder whatís so frightening about Cornish history?
BBC - What do you think might happen on the day?
Colin Murley - I hope on the day itís a nice peaceful presentation of our case for Cornish history in Cornish schools.
BBC - We will be there, not me personally, but someone will be there, so weíll see what happens.
I know they had a lot of feedback, a lot of people have written to the Clerk.
Colin Murley - Yes, I think that somebody started this thing about pinching the cup as a bit of a joke, itís a bit like saying youíre going to pinch the World Cup.
BBC - Whoís responsible for Cornwall 24? Is that a web-site run by the Celtic League or what?
Colin Murley - No, no, that is Nigel Pengelly's of Cornish World magazine.
BBC - Now weíll do the pictures, would you like to be reading something Cornish.
At this point Colin Murley then takes a book from his book shelf:- ďWest BritonsĒ by Mark Stoyle and opens it to
page 113, Chapter 6, ďThe Cornish rising of 1648Ē- pictures were taken.
End of interview